QUOTE (Mjollnir @ Mar 10 2007, 06:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
2. I would love to see that equation. Seriously. 
3. Not entirely true, as we live in this one. If you were an interdimensional traveler, maybe...
4. Actually, we do. The math says that they are layered on top of one another, like membranes. That is part of what all those extra dimensions are for.
5.-7.Can't argue with any of that, as it's a matter of faith. Rock samples from both earth and the moon do pretty much tell us for certain how the moon was formed, though.
8. Well, that's a statement of opinion, I suppose, but that's cool.
Great discussion, Smitty, you are a gentleman and a scholar.
Marc
3. Not entirely true, as we live in this one. If you were an interdimensional traveler, maybe...
4. Actually, we do. The math says that they are layered on top of one another, like membranes. That is part of what all those extra dimensions are for.
5.-7.Can't argue with any of that, as it's a matter of faith. Rock samples from both earth and the moon do pretty much tell us for certain how the moon was formed, though.
8. Well, that's a statement of opinion, I suppose, but that's cool.
Great discussion, Smitty, you are a gentleman and a scholar.
Marc
2. Bad joke will remove from joke list. Here is the rub, you don't really know who I am. I could say I was the President. I've made enough spelling error, logical fallacies, an bad jokes that it could go either way. You could do a I.P. look up, nope, I could have bounced the trace route or Spoofed the the DNS, etc. So you have to take it on "Faith" that I am who and what I say I am.
So when they mathematically prove something it could be anything and unless people have the education level to review the math (maybe .005% of the total scientific populace) what have you got. MAGIC - Enough letters here, some more letters there, these cancel, those multiply, end of the day, you have to have "Faith".
3. We live in this one and we "Know" this one exist. These other theoretical universes are inaccessible to us and therefore there's no possible way to provide any evidence that this might be true. It is purely a concept, an idea, without scientific proof.
But with enough math they might exist, and they explain some of the holes we have in our understanding. They could of course be wrong. Where and what you place your "Faith" in might actually be the point of all of this.
4. Some Monks 1200 years ago, by a careful study of the Book of Genesis concluded that there are as many as 10 dimensions. This would also explain Angles, Heaven, Demons, etc. But as you know with out proof of there existence we are left with, you guessed it. "Faith".
5.-7. Faith is where we get the actual material to start the party with. With no scientific explanation it points to the supernatural event.
We have some evidence that the moon was formed early in the creation cycle of Earth. I have read that while the parts where starting to form a large chunk of matter hit the earth and drew off some additional material, got trapped by gravity and slowly formed. Was that your thinking also? Because it would also agree with the Biblical account written almost 6,000 years ago by a Jewish man in the Desert. I wonder where he got that information?
SO we both agree that Natural laws exist that effect the outcome of the material in the universe. We don't actually know all of the Laws at this point. We don't know where the material came from. We don't know how those laws where created. It is more likely that the universe would naturally created a NON-LIVING universe than one with life in it. "Natural necessity" falls apart when you study it as it is a strong radical claim that requires strong proof. There are other models of the universe that are different from outs, so it must be possible for the universe to be different. Even if the laws of nature are necessary, we would still have to have the initial conditions put in at the beginning on which these laws can operate.
8. How long do you think the earth would have taken to form and cool down so that life could have started? After that time do you still "believe" that is enough time to have the complexity of life that is currently recorded in fossils and the one living among us?
We are creatures of "Faith" our lives rest on having "Faith" in those around us and those that have left us. I have "Faith" that the driver will stop for a red light. "Faith" in the drive though that my order is correct. (Not so much anymore
) "Faith" that something started this party and there is a purpose. "Faith" in the Bible that the message is "True" and we can trust it. "I" have "Faith" that is supported with evidence enough for me.When we take the Mathematical improbability of the universe being created, the improbability of the start of Life, the improbability of existence, we are left with a Supernatural explanation. Science can only take us to the point of possible explanation, God supplies the rest.
Thanks of the compliment - I have proof from other in this post that disagree with you.LOL
I enjoy you input and research.
Smitty
