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Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 8:15 pm
by SlOoT
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Is it possible to convert a head from a Cannondale to this ? laugh.gif

Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 9:04 pm
by rayspeed
QUOTE (SlOoT @ Sep 6 2007, 01:15 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
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Is it possible to convert a head from a Cannondale to this ? laugh.gif

Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 9:15 pm
by peterock
That's pretty cool. No worries of valve float.

Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 9:19 pm
by claas900
Now were talking....i like it.

Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 9:26 pm
by rayspeed
Oops hit the wrong button, I would say no way with our heads... a great idea tho! No valve springs working against the motor and with positive action both ways the rpm's would be only limited by the pistons and reciprocating assembly. Could even roller tip both ends for less wear and drag! The hot ticket for the future would be electrical solenoids strong and fast enough to operate valves and an ecu can optimize the lift and duration according to rpms and throttle input. Imagine a 100hp single cylinder motor that could turn 17,500 rpm and idle like a new car!
Ok that is a little far fetched...
Ray

Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 9:47 pm
by cannondale27
Suzuki and now Yamaha have gone to Pneumatic valves to compete with Ducati in F1 bikes.I am not sure what they rev to but I bet its close to 15,000rpm.Supposedly they were only getting 2hrs out of the valves when cams were tuned for topend power because of the steep angles needed.Cool stuff.

Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 11:18 pm
by wayneschofield
QUOTE (cannondale27 @ Sep 6 2007, 10:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Suzuki and now Yamaha have gone to Pneumatic valves to compete with Ducati in F1 bikes.I am not sure what they rev to but I bet its close to 15,000rpm.Supposedly they were only getting 2hrs out of the valves when cams were tuned for topend power because of the steep angles needed.Cool stuff.


19,000 rpm on pneumatic springs. F1 cars are limited to 19,000 too, they used to run over 20,000 on occasion last year (before the technology 'freeze'). Most of F1 has been on pneumatic valve springs since before I was involved in the early nineties...

As far as I know the (new) Ducati moto GP motor uses Pneumatic springs too, valve train weight and packaging in the new V4 Ducati killed the Desmo idea in 'real' racing engines.

Most engines at this level will last (be 'lifed' to) six or seven hours, two hours is no sweat at all.

Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2007 11:42 pm
by J. Delaney
Suzuki, Kawasaki, and Yamaha all use pneumatic vavletrains (Honda is using valve springs). However, Yamaha had an engine failure in it's first outing last week end. Poor Rossi. Ducati is still using the Desmo valvetrain, but I would be willing to bet that it's nothing like a road going Duc. Most everybody can rev their engines up to 18,500rpm, but since Moto GP has limited the fuel capacity to 21L most teams/riders choose to shift a little bit earlier. Did you see the race at Misano? BOTH Ducatis ran out of fuel before finishing the cool down lap.

Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 9:25 pm
by Psychosis
It would be nice to see but not possible on these quads. The desmo system is quite interesting to say the least and it's been awhile since I'd really looked into it. Still would be nice to see in the future.

Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2007 9:30 pm
by SlOoT
Just imagine. A 449cc Cannondale engine with 80HP @ 18.000 RPM laugh.gif

I know a tuner around here who uses a 500cc SINGLE cilinder ducati engine in his bike with 90HP at the rear wheel.
He just takes a ducati V2 engine and removes 1 cilinder and then does some porting and stuff like that.