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Posted: Sun Jun 02, 2013 3:43 am
by speed 450mx
No it only had mag on the drain plug and it had very little metal or sludge during is life. The water was most through the intake not in the oil. We ran maxima and Repsol oil with most a Scott's filter and was change about every two or three races. I have another crank vixen to come out of another three year race motor and I'll send you this crank too.
Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 2:52 am
by wistech
Got another updated crank in. This one was an atk reweld job. the cage edges are razor sharp but the rod is still good. Less than half a thousanths wear across the journal. Just a bit of sludge in the pin.
Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 2:56 am
by wistech
Here is the weird part. Looking at the side of the clutch side crank half there are 2 burned spots with a brown stain smearing down the crank. I cleaned up the spots and sure enough its a raised area from micro cracking. Ive seen micro cracking in a lot of cranks but none quite like this. Im replacing this half for safeties sake.
Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2013 4:23 am
by speed 450mx
Thanks first of all. Second that crank had 2 1/2 racing seasons of xc on it so that's good that all it kinda of needs is new bearings.
Posted: Sat Dec 14, 2013 11:14 pm
by wistech
I was out with Brian Kinney last night and he said he has seen this before on other brand engines. None of the cranks failed because of the cracks but he had no explanation for them.
Posted: Sun Dec 15, 2013 8:22 am
by speed 450mx
Oh ok at least it didn't fail. It's just weird that it did it
Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2015 2:23 pm
by wistech
Wow this is the one I had always hoped to find. A cage failure right in the begging stage before showing signs . The cage has broken into many small pieces but have not fallen out or jammed up. The crank didnt have any play and spun smooth.
Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2015 7:11 pm
by yamadjs08
It's amazing that it still spun smooth and freely. It wouldn't have been long, thats for sure.
Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2015 2:07 pm
by wistech
There might be 2 type of failure modes. One where the cage breaks apart and jams up the rollers causing instant death. The other being the common one where the cage wears the grooves in the rod and the fatigue causes whats left of the rolling surface to spall and flake off the surface. Which would explain why some fill the frame/oil filter with metal flake for several hours while other just sieze up like this one. Of course it really doesnt matter nowadays.
Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2015 2:38 pm
by wistech
Here are the part numbers for the z400 bearing.
09263-35035-0B0 original
09263-35044-0B0 newer
09263-35047-0B0 latest
it looks like they have been using different types of coating over the years on the cages . The latest ones must be using silver as the price is going way up. the last one i bought was $70.